Double December Points???

[Bob B]

i dont see it as much of a problem - if the players that are top 5 in the first 5 weeks continue their form, then they will still be top 5.

it will be good for me personally, as i have missed a couple of games at my regular venue and it will be good for me to climb back up the leaderboard.

If you ever get the chance to talk to Scotty W, ask him what it was like to be in top position and final tabled or made top 15 at almost every venue he played at for around 7 weeks.

Then, the bubble burst and he struggled from there on to try and stay in the top three. I'm not 100% sure where he finished but I recall him saying (with a smile) he'd played so many games he'd need to win top spot to recoup some of his outlay.


Nice guy Scotty and I'll need to catch up to him and say hello in the near future. I notice this season he's only played 17 games!!!

That's it for me on this subject, nice catch tho Kentishgirl.

[Dazman]

I am very annoyed at the concept Double December. .
I find this very unfair for those who have done well in first 7 weeks. This is aimed at encouraging people lower on the leader board to finish the season with big jumps in position to take place over last 3 weeks of season. I feel that this has not been done in consideration of regulars who play tight to play and finish consistantly and have achieved high probability of top 5 positions. Rather, these players will HAVE to finish highly in the 2 of the last 3 wks, just to be a chance of finishing in the top 5. Remember Poker is determined on both LUCK and skill.
Although not a state leader board contender, i also feel sorry for the people who are. Double points will mean 250 points up for grabs at some venues and blow averages out of playing ability proportions.
Finally this has been annonced with minium notice and should have beem made CLEAR within the first 2 weeks of the season.
I hope this is an errornous oversight and can be reversed and maybe persued in a different manner another season.
Passionately npl
Dazman

[Luke05(Jamo)]

Is life Fair? NO
Is Npl a Bussines? Yes
DO they make more money if more people Play? Yes
Dec is there quiet time

It's smart bussines there going to get more people playing, meaning there going to make more money.

People may not like this. but money talks!!!

Jamo

[xtal]

Is life Fair? NO
Is Npl a Bussines? Yes
DO they make more money if more people Play? Yes
Dec is there quiet time

It's smart bussines there going to get more people playing, meaning there going to make more money.

People may not like this. but money talks!!!

Jamo

note to EVERYONE dont not temp to lift Jamo while drunk cuz he is heavy
that was a funny night last night

[Ondie J]

There's a promo?

[Chelsea4thewin]

Is life Fair? NO
Is Npl a Bussines? Yes
DO they make more money if more people Play? Yes
Dec is there quiet time

It's smart bussines there going to get more people playing, meaning there going to make more money.

People may not like this. but money talks!!!

Jamo

awesome post jamo, u worded it better then i could of

[Origami]

Is life Fair? NO
Is Npl a Bussines? Yes
DO they make more money if more people Play? Yes
Dec is there quiet time

It's smart bussines there going to get more people playing, meaning there going to make more money.

People may not like this. but money talks!!!

Jamo

note to EVERYONE dont not temp to lift Jamo while drunk cuz he is heavy
that was a funny night last night

Ten ' steaks' too many Jamo?

[kentishgirl]

Hi all,

Sorry it has taken me a while to respond, but I’m still working out where stuff is on the forum.

Firstly, Double December was inspired by a promotion Crown Casino offers during their Player of the Year competition. Through-out the course of the year, double points events are held to give those players the chance to catch up to the leaders, and consequently, the leaders have the chance to pull away from the pack. These events are generally announced with a few weeks warning.

Secondly, NPL is about fun, fair, free poker that is enjoyed by thousands of Aussies every week. We endeavour to deliver a product that keeps people coming down to their local venue, meet new friends, and continue to develop their poker skills.

The three F’s of NPL poker starts with ‘fun’ for a reason. As much as we’d love to claim that we could produce the next Joe Hachem, we genuinely aim to create a night of interactive entertainment, not compete to find the counties best poker player.


So this Christmas, during an economic period that some are calling dire, we’re looking to put some “free fun into your flop” with double points. All players have access to win these points, so there is no unfair advantage. For those players who have already done well this first half of the season, we’re sure you’ll continue to dominate all the way through until Dec 21st.

Lastly, it is very important to us that we receive your feedback about our poker product, therfore we appreciate the time contributed by the users of this forum.

kentishgirl – if you have any further questions or issues you would like addressed, you can contact me at carlos@fullhousegroup.com.au.

Regards,

Carlos Zalapa
Marketing Manager
National Poker League

Hi Carlos,

Thankyou for your reply to my thread, I appreciate the feedback on what is a frustrating issue for me.

I acknowledge and understand that NPL is a business and they need to keep numbers up etc, but I just have some queries as to why you and your marketing team decided to put the double decmeber points in such short notice.

You quoted earlier that double december "will endeavour to keep people coming back to their local", however I dont think this will be the case. The only people interested in the points will be the people chasing the top 10/top 50 places in the state leaderboard and they know very well that in order to gain the maximal points, they will only play in venues with a large number of runners. Consequently, places like PGCC, para hills which have 100+ runners in every game will continue to attract more, leaving the smaller venues with only the dedicated few locals.

From a NPL business point of view, I thought this would be detrimental to you as the smaller venues would choose to cancel their tournaments as they would be making a loss if only 10-15 people show up. Wouldnt NPL profit more having a few venues with medium amount of runners, rather than only 1 venue having massive amounts of numbers?

Also, you mentioned that this promo was taken from the Crown Casino. Yes I agree it was a good idea for them, as they would attract more runners but as it is only one single business, they would also get ALL the profits from it. Setting up such a system in which it is pub vs pub is unfair for struggling venues as it does not give incentive for players to go to the smaller venues with double points up for grabs in the bigger venues.

Lastly, I really dont think it fair to announce in such short notice that double points will be up for grabs in the final 3 weeks of the season. I have been in the top 10 of the state leaderboard for most of season and I have spent a lot of my time, money and effort to get where I am. If im unfortunate enough to get an unlucky run on the final three weeks of the season, I will be knocked out and I will have nothing to show for my efforts after playing probably 80+ games. What is my incentive to play so many games in the next season if good and consistent players dont get rewarded for their efforts? There are a lot of other poker leagues coming into place now that are offering a lot of better prizes and cheaper to stamp up with.

So all I say is that if you wish to keep your consistent clients happy, at least offer them something worth playing for and reward them for their efforts

[Bob B]

Is life Fair? NO
Is Npl a Bussines? Yes
DO they make more money if more people Play? Yes
Dec is there quiet time

It's smart bussines there going to get more people playing, meaning there going to make more money.

People may not like this. but money talks!!!

Jamo

awesome post jamo, u worded it better then i could of

Oh yeah, his gramma is really, really, good. And his grampa is too. (note grampa is not a typo)

[bennymacca]

You quoted earlier that double december "will endeavour to keep people coming back to their local", however I dont think this will be the case. The only people interested in the points will be the people chasing the top 10/top 50 places in the state leaderboard and they know very well that in order to gain the maximal points, they will only play in venues with a large number of runners. Consequently, places like PGCC, para hills which have 100+ runners in every game will continue to attract more, leaving the smaller venues with only the dedicated few locals.

top 50 are not the only ones interested in points!!

i agree with carlos here, it will definitely keep players going back to the local.

lets dream up of a scenario - lets say you missed a week earlier in the season, and as a result, you are 17th at a venue. this is your only venue that you play regularly, but at this point in the season, you are a fair way off the top 5, say 50 points.

50 points is makeable, but hard to do, so there is not much motivation for that person to continue for the rest of the season now that states are out of the question.

but because of the double points, you now have a crack at the top 5 - good results are still needed of course, but at least these players have a chance to still qualify.

so the players that are say in the 8-20 region of the venue leaderboard, are the players that the double points is designed to help out, completely the opposite of what you have said IMO.

for the insane-gamers that go for the state top 50, this isn't really going to worry them. in the last 3 weeks of the season, they will play at least 30 games where double points are on offer - if they can't get some decent points out of this to keep their place on the leaderboard, then they dont deserve to be there.


so while i am not a massive fan about the double points, i can see why they are doing it, and as a business, you cant really knock them for their reasoning. i think the only thing that could have been done better was giving the players a bit more notice.

PS the dreamed up scenario above is the actual one i am in now!