Double December Points???

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Bob B » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:30 pm

Hi Carlos,

You quoted earlier that double december "will endeavour to keep people coming back to their local", however I dont think this will be the case. The only people interested in the points will be the people chasing the top 10/top 50 places in the state leaderboard and they know very well that in order to gain the maximal points, they will only play in venues with a large number of runners. Consequently, places like PGCC, para hills which have 100+ runners in every game will continue to attract more, leaving the smaller venues with only the dedicated few locals.

Lastly, I really dont think it fair to announce in such short notice that double points will be up for grabs in the final 3 weeks of the season. I have been in the top 10 of the state leaderboard for most of season and I have spent a lot of my time, money and effort to get where I am. If im unfortunate enough to get an unlucky run on the final three weeks of the season, I will be knocked out and I will have nothing to show for my efforts after playing probably 80+ games.

What is my incentive to play so many games in the next season if good and consistent players dont get rewarded for their efforts? There are a lot of other poker leagues coming into place now that are offering a lot of better prizes and cheaper to stamp up with.

So all I say is that if you wish to keep your consistent clients happy, at least offer them something worth playing for and reward them for their efforts


Well done Kentishgirl. I'm glad to see there is another person on the forum who is prepared to openly say what they feel towards some of the decisions made of late.

Hey, blind Freddy knows that NPL is in the business of making money and nobody is denying them to do so. But, at what expense???????


I have highlighted a couple of lines in your post that I want to respond too.

Will the bigger venues effect the smaller ones when the double points come up for grabs? Of course they will. They, the venue operators and the points chasers will be chasing the bigger numbers with bigger incentives will attract more punters.

Take last night as an example as to how just one event "The Parafield Gardens $1,000" can change the outcome of another venue.

The Wheatsheaf had to cancel it's venue as there may have only been a handful of players NOT going to the Parafield Gardens $1,0000.

Let's assume that a couple of their punters make good points at the Gardens and it puts them in a better points position. Are they still going to support the Wheatsheaf or Gardens?

And because there were 385 runners the top 15 points winners may push the current PG leaders way down the list if they weren't fortunate to have been in the top 15 finishers.

If you weren't there I hope you scored points somewhere last night to compensate for the big points winners at the Gardens. Now that was just one event that was great for everyone to experience but at what cost to some??

Your final paragraph regarding the "incentives to play next season" and where to play??? Well, that is up to the individuals choice. But as you say, there are more choices available!!!!!

It's similar to me not chasing the points any more. If it happens it happens but I choose to keep my cash in my pocket a little bit longer LOL.

I'm glad to see Duc gained 163.2 points for his 12th.

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Re: Double December Points???

Postby David » Thu Nov 20, 2008 4:51 pm

How can people say that "the good players will still go well and the other players will do as well as they usually do" so the points won't matter?

Are you saying that DPD creates an illusion? That people can get higher than they already are, easier?

I see the reason for it. And I see the logic behind it. I just think it slightly tarnishes the idea of the points system. Yes, it's Free Poker, yes it's fun, yes whatever. I know that. But the fact of the matter is that even if you are good, you might actually miss out because you happen to not do well at the right time of the year. That's a simple fact - poker is about doing well over time. The good players don't always win, and the bad players don't always lose. The good players, though, over time will do better than the not-so-good players.

I don't quite know what my point is.
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby BigPete33 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:02 pm

Vic, what you mentioned is clearly only the case for those chasing the 'state leaderboard'.

I cannot fathom how those chasing top 10 at their regular venue would magically decide to go and play somewhere different because it has more runners.

benny the cunt is correct, it's definitely going to keep those 'I might show up if I think I can qualify' players coming back because a couple of decent finishes and they're right back in there.

I'd also like to point out to you Vic that you are still pretty new to the NPL and you may not be completely aware that it doesn't matter if you play a bazillion games it's only your top 15 results averaged out that actually count for the leaderboard you are chasing. It is often the case that the last third or even half of that leaderboard changes dramatically in the last week - and that's without the double points. Not to mention it's absolutely ZERO indication as to how good/bad a player is.

If you do well early in the season and then do poorly in the last period then IMO that's your own cross to bear.

If you are chasing the state leaderboard then you will already be playing at venues with large numbers because you're automatically doomed to fail if you do not. Get yourself a couple of reasonable placings in December and you should be fine.

Having said that, one thing I will agree with is the poor timing and amount of notice for this promotion. At least announce these things at the start of the season.
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby BigPete33 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:13 pm

I just checked your results Vic...

You have 3 placings over 50 points.

Get off the grass mate, you NEED the double points.
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby rcon » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:23 pm

BigPete33 wrote:Having said that, one thing I will agree with is the poor timing and amount of notice for this promotion. At least announce these things at the start of the season.
Even a "at some point during this season, we will be offering double points for a period of 2 weeks - you will have 1 weeks notice" might have made it a little easier to take for runners.

I got the impression from Carlos's reply that the whole idea of it was to spring it on punters - it doesn't seem to have gone down too well, but you'll only really hear from those it disadvantages, not those it advantages, bennymacca being the exception.
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby kentishgirl » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:41 pm

BigPete33 wrote:Vic, what you mentioned is clearly only the case for those chasing the 'state leaderboard'.

I cannot fathom how those chasing top 10 at their regular venue would magically decide to go and play somewhere different because it has more runners.

benny the cunt is correct, it's definitely going to keep those 'I might show up if I think I can qualify' players coming back because a couple of decent finishes and they're right back in there.

I'd also like to point out to you Vic that you are still pretty new to the NPL and you may not be completely aware that it doesn't matter if you play a bazillion games it's only your top 15 results averaged out that actually count for the leaderboard you are chasing. It is often the case that the last third or even half of that leaderboard changes dramatically in the last week - and that's without the double points. Not to mention it's absolutely ZERO indication as to how good/bad a player is.

If you do well early in the season and then do poorly in the last period then IMO that's your own cross to bear.

If you are chasing the state leaderboard then you will already be playing at venues with large numbers because you're automatically doomed to fail if you do not. Get yourself a couple of reasonable placings in December and you should be fine.

Having said that, one thing I will agree with is the poor timing and amount of notice for this promotion. At least announce these things at the start of the season.



Pete,

If the aim of the "double december" points was to get those people placed 6th-20th back to the local venue to compete for the top 5 then yes I do agree with you that is a good idea. Congrats on NPL for attracting those however many players back to those local venues.

I was purely venting in regards to the placing in the top 50 leaderboard. If I had known at the start of the season that double points were being put into place in Dec, I prob wouldnt have played so many games early on and focused more on the final 3 weeks. But i guess that is NPL business strategy at play there. I know very well that it is only your top 15 games which get counted towards your final score and so I am now faced with the fact if I am to stay in contention on the leaderboard, my current efforts will mean nothing when the double points start. Can you see where im coming from now?

I think thats a bit harsh to say that being on the state leaderboard gives zero indication of how good/bad player you are. Yes, I agree that it does not decide who are the best NPL players in the state, but it does show that people at least have some idea of how to play good poker if they consistently make final tables. I know I am an average player who still has a lot to learn, but hey, like you said im still only new to the game
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby BigPete33 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:48 pm

That's fair enough Vic.

There's no way on tihs planet I'll associate that leaderboard with any degree of skill though :)

That's not to say there aren't some good players on it, because there are. But it's in no way a direct representation of anything other than showing up a lot and getting the necessary results enough times to display an artificial average.

No, we're not re-opening that debate :P It was epic enough the first time and as Carlos put it in his earlier post, that's not what that 'leaderboard' or the NPL is for. As long as it's clear to everyone that leaderboard doesn't actually mean leaderboard - there won't be any dramas :P
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:12 pm

i think the freeroll was the best indication of poker skill

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scary top 3 there hahahahaha
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby maccatak11 » Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:32 pm

kentishgirl wrote: I was purely venting in regards to the placing in the top 50 leaderboard.



Im with Pete on this one. Top 50 leaderboard people have no right to whinge as they are gifted state final qualification for playing lots of games. The fact is that most of them are good players, but they don't consistently make final tables. They get 15 good results out of 80 games, thats not consistently making final tables.

I personally like the double points idea, keeps the regular one venue players coming back for the last few weeks, cos its in this group where most drop-off is experienced. Surely top 50 players will get 2 or 3 results out of their 25 games in the last few weeks to make double points worthwhile for them also.
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Re: Double December Points???

Postby Laura » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:32 pm

steve_g wrote:i think the freeroll was the best indication of poker skill

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scary top 3 there hahahahaha



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