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Re: BBQ's

Postby krunchie » Fri Jan 02, 2009 4:10 pm

Bob B wrote:
krunchie wrote:Bob the following information is correct and you can google it for confirmtion.

Red meat like beef ( and less so lamb) does not carry bacteria inside the meat.

Only on the outside where it has been handled, and exposed to the environment.

This is why you can sear a steak both sides then eat it basically raw, without harm.

Ground beef however ( hamburger ) must be cooked through, as all the meat has had the oppourtunity to become infected.


White meats like chicken and pork ( and some fish ), can carry nasty bugs inside the meat such as bacteria and also worms, and as such should never be consumed even slightly undercooked.

I am not privy to why you wont get bacteria inside red meat, its just fact.

however i do know that kangaroo is a different "animal" again and in regards to worms should be thoughly cooked through.


Hi again Krunchie. It's getting a little bit late, nearly 2am and my son happened to be going to the loo LOL. So, I just asked him why it is better to cook say a rib eye or scotch fillet to a medium rather than a medium rare or straight rare?

The simple answer was if you cook the above cuts to a medium it has a much better flavour when it breaks down the internal fats in the meat. Otherwise you can still taste the uncooked fats and it's not nice.

The steak will still be tender as they are very good cuts and will remain tender but have a much better flavour once break down the internal fats.

I just remembered something from my youth where a mate of mines brother was lacking in some minerals. So, the doctor recommended he ate raw steaks to gain whatever minerals were was in the meat.

I must admit I am on the slight side of rare when I cook mine but that's how I like it. When I'm out I only ask for medium rare so the missus doesn't throw up on my steak when the blood oozes out sometimes LOL.


Bob have we got 2 discusions going on at once, i asked you about the health dangers that are present when cooking red meat and you come back with the above which is to with fat break down for flavour, not that there is anything wrong with that, i find this topic of interest as well, but all of a suden its not a health issue but a tast one.

I under stand the above and it is sound advice however, this method depends alot on the fat content of the beast in question, most australian mid to high quality beef is actually quite low in marbled fat, even though it is actually a good thing for the reasons you out lined above.

The reason why most of our meat is this way is because consumers have wrongly driven our producers to produce the meat this way.

Our poor Mum/Dad every day type consumer sees the lovely marbled fat that is actually desired in most countrys (particlarly japan) and goes ohh no thats fat and its bad for me, i wont buy that !!!.

So ingnorance in consumers choice has lead us to having our every day meat with much lower internal fat content than it should.

I would be interested to know if your son cooks with a higher quality/grade of beef, i wouldnt be suprised if he does.

But most people wont have the access to the verry highest quality cuts with high marlbed fat content and so would acually be overcooking if they went to medium, because the fat is just not there.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby gundog » Fri Jan 02, 2009 5:07 pm

benschke wrote:If well done is the proper way to cook/eat a steak as some of you are saying, then why is that most restaurants that are of any decent quality refuse to cook steaks well done???



I think you may have just slipped off your perch a little with that statement, as someone who uses restraunts a lot and often orders steak WELL DONE. I have never been refused to have my steak cook to my requirements and in 40 odd years I have only had to send a steak back to be cooked twice.

And if a chef presents a steak to the customer well done and its a tough as shoe leather, then he needs to go back and learn how to cook, because he is not a chef is is just a cook.


Take a leaf out of Gordon Ramsey's attitude if the customer sends back a meal because its not cooked to order you better watch out because it is the customer who decides what is right not some line chef or executive chef, why because the customer is paying for it and the customer is always right.

As a footnote if any chef wanted to debate the merits of how a steak is to be cooked and refuses to cook it other than the way it was ordered, then they had better front me in the restraunt and explain why I am not getting what I odered, because of his pigheaded attitude he has ruined my and the rest of my parties night out and then the owner/manager would need to be called because I wont be paying for anything.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby BigPete33 » Fri Jan 02, 2009 7:11 pm

It's really only the highish end restaurants that would *actually* refuse to cook a steak that way.

Somewhere like Sizzler (wish we still had that in SA) where it's a 15yo cooking your meal couldn't give a toss.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby Bob B » Sat Jan 03, 2009 1:44 am

krunchie wrote:
benschke wrote:If well done is the proper way to cook/eat a steak as some of you are saying, then why is that most restaurants that are of any decent quality refuse to cook steaks well done???



I dont touch a steak past medium rare, but i was always under the opinion that this was becuase of time managment.

Big resaraunts with high turnover, simply not enough time to get Well done steaks on the go and out the door in enough time to 1, keep the individual happy time wise and 2, keep the total seats per night turnover up, there fore the profitibility of the dish.


I believe that in a busy kitchen the steaks are precooked to say one or two rare, and a couple medium or more are left on the side of the hot plate to remain warm if they sell a lot of steaks. These are then used for the medium and well done patrons in retrospect so as to save time.

So, if there were a couple of Med R's a well done and a rare on one table they will all get their meals at the same time.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby Chelsea4thewin » Sat Jan 03, 2009 11:43 am

rare is the only way to go when cooking steak, you need all those juices for flavour, nothing worst then an overcooked steak you end up chewing for hours or need to drown it in gravy or tomato sauce

rare with a nice sauce is the best, bombay bicycle club do great steaks, tuesday night NPL venue, bacon red/win and garlic sauce ftw
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Re: BBQ's

Postby xtal » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:48 pm

Chelsea4thewin wrote:rare is the only way to go when cooking steak, you need all those juices for flavour, nothing worst then an overcooked steak you end up chewing for hours or need to drown it in gravy or tomato sauce

rare with a nice sauce is the best, bombay bicycle club do great steaks, tuesday night NPL venue, bacon red/win and garlic sauce ftw

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Re: BBQ's

Postby krunchie » Sat Jan 03, 2009 7:28 pm

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Re: BBQ's

Postby Garth Kay » Sun Jan 04, 2009 12:52 am

I haven't read this thread thoroughly, but I will add my two cents to the BBQ of a steak argument.

Some cuts of meat should never be cooked to well done, especially higher end selections as it damages the texture and ruins the meat.

Kangaroo is a good example of this, if you cook it past medium rare you dry the meat out and it becomes almost like jerky.

Generally all your rump, portehouse and general cuts of meat (up to 3cm's thick) should only take up to ten minutes to prepare; the cooking times vary such as MR is two minutes each side, to well done which is 4 minutes each side. The resting time of the meat varies as you give the meat time to re distribute it's juices, so MR requires 6 minutes resting time whilst a WD only requires two minutes.

Now two other tips:

Red meat such as steaks should only be turned once (I hate seen people turn a steak four or five times).

Do not season steaks with salt or pepper until you are about to turn the meat, salt will dry out your steak even faster and generally ruin the texture of any well marbled meat.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby Bob B » Sun Jan 04, 2009 2:15 am

Garth Kay wrote:I haven't read this thread thoroughly, but I will add my two cents to the BBQ of a steak argument.

Some cuts of meat should never be cooked to well done, especially higher end selections as it damages the texture and ruins the meat.

Kangaroo is a good example of this, if you cook it past medium rare you dry the meat out and it becomes almost like jerky.

Generally all your rump, portehouse and general cuts of meat (up to 3cm's thick) should only take up to ten minutes to prepare; the cooking times vary such as MR is two minutes each side, to well done which is 4 minutes each side. The resting time of the meat varies as you give the meat time to re distribute it's juices, so MR requires 6 minutes resting time whilst a WD only requires two minutes.

Now two other tips:

Red meat such as steaks should only be turned once (I hate seen people turn a steak four or five times).

Do not season steaks with salt or pepper until you are about to turn the meat, salt will dry out your steak even faster and generally ruin the texture of any well marbled meat.


I agree with all of the above as I read it in one of my sons books a while back and was trying to find it today. I'll keep looking and get the authers name.
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Re: BBQ's

Postby benschke » Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:14 am

gundog wrote:I think you may have just slipped off your perch a little with that statement, as someone who uses restraunts a lot and often orders steak WELL DONE. I have never been refused to have my steak cook to my requirements and in 40 odd years I have only had to send a steak back to be cooked twice.

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