Ten - Deluxe Edition

[David]

Can't even compare.

I hate the term "Grunge" anyway.
Bit of a fallacy.

I had and have no time for Nirvana. I found the music uninspiring and boring. Three chords plus depressing lyrics didn't really hit me in the face. Kurt didn't even like lyrics, and most of the time wrote them out of need, not caring about what they really were. Somehow, this translated into "the music for a generation". No, it's not. The image of Nirvana transcended the music but unfortunately took the music with it.

Nirvana came out with the right song, at the right time and it lifted from there.

The closest Pearl Jam got to Grunge was what they (originally) wore, and the fact they were based in Seattle. Pearl Jam are, to me, more "rock" if anything. Pearl Jam are polished, even in the dirty songs, which isn't a grungy trait.

Mudhoney, and maybe TAD... were more grunge than Pearl Jam. Grunge is probably better termed "Seattle Rock", with the range of bands being extremely varied. Of course, sweet f*ck all of the bands were actually from Seattle.

Alice in Chains, Mudhoney, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and Stone Temple Pilots... I put all these above Nirvana.


.. just in my opinion

[Origami]

did you actually write that review dave? if so, well written, it sounds like a music journo though.

Yar, I just wrote it whilst listening to a few songs.

pearl who?

Necklace. On your Mum.

Your Grandma = Knit one Pearl one ..

Pearl Jam not as good as Apricot Jam
[ my Grandma made the best Apricot Jam in the whole then World.]..


a Brucie Humor Attempt.

[bennymacca]

IMHO, nevermind is the worst nirvana album, and that in utero and bleach are both much better.

pearl jam are usually included in the grunge bands, but ill call it the "early 90s originating from seattle rock movement that was a lot different to the 80s stadium rock" if you like dave

you are right, pearl jam were definitely more polished. but in a way, part of the appeal of bleach especially, was the fact that the music was dirty and unpolished, and the lyrics didn't seem to make a huge amount of sense.

dont get me wrong, i like pearl jam as well, but not one of my all time faves

a Brucie Humor Attempt.

worked if you wanted me you laugh AT you instead of with you

[David]

Call me bonkers - I'm not a huge fan of music where the lyrics don't make sense

[bennymacca]

Call me bonkers - I'm not a huge fan of music where the lyrics don't make sense

true. but how many times can you tell exactly what a song is talking about straight away without studying the lyrics? and then even after studying the lyrics?

i know there are many that i cant.

a good example, i heard bob evans (aka kevin mitchell) talking about one of his songs. it sounded like your every day run of the mill love song, pretty much his norm. but then he was talking about how its actually from the perspective of a dog, and that it is a love song about the owner from the dog's point of view, however this is not referenced at all in the song.

what i am saying, is there are more than the lyrics that make a good song. and some good songs don't have lyrics at all, or the lyrics don't make sense, that doesn't mean they are bad songs.

[David]

Call me bonkers - I'm not a huge fan of music where the lyrics don't make sense

true. but how many times can you tell exactly what a song is talking about straight away without studying the lyrics? and then even after studying the lyrics?

i know there are many that i cant.

a good example, i heard bob evans (aka kevin mitchell) talking about one of his songs. it sounded like your every day run of the mill love song, pretty much his norm. but then he was talking about how its actually from the perspective of a dog, and that it is a love song about the owner from the dog's point of view, however this is not referenced at all in the song.

what i am saying, is there are more than the lyrics that make a good song. and some good songs don't have lyrics at all, or the lyrics don't make sense, that doesn't mean they are bad songs.

I agree, there is more than just lyrics to a song.

And there are some GREAT instrumentals with no lyrics.

And there are songs where you can't understand the lyrics initially, or at all, if you don't care to find them out.

But when I DO know the lyrics - and they still don't make sense (because they are nonsensical, not obscure) that's when I have less time for the songs.

There are some really good songs where the meaning isn't obvious, this is different though to Kurts lyrics, at least a lot of them anyway.

Plug In Baby (Muse) is about his guitar. Breakout (Fooeys) is about getting pimples... there's many I like that are like that.

Kurt was an average guitarist, who wrote constant depressing songs, or songs without much meaning at all, with shallow chords.

Of course, liking or disliking music is about the intangible emotion you get when you hear it, be it good or bad. All we are doing is trying to put that into words (and opinions)

[Dakota]

Call me bonkers - I'm not a huge fan of music where the lyrics don't make sense

"You offer me a passionless drug,
morphed by the cold lime that was squeezed from a hammer,
I stumble down the corridor of my paperbag,
Where am i going to go when all that i have left is my stammer, "

WTF

couldn't agree with you more David

[David]

What's that from Dakota ?

[Bob B]

did you actually write that review dave? if so, well written, it sounds like a music journo though.

Yar, I just wrote it whilst listening to a few songs.

pearl who?

Necklace. On your Mum.

Your Grandma = Knit one Pearl one ..

Pearl Jam not as good as Apricot Jam
[ my Grandma made the best Apricot Jam in the whole then World.]..


a Brucie Humor Attempt.

Pure unadulterated GOLD there Bruce take a bow I'm still laughing

[bennymacca]

Of course, liking or disliking music is about the intangible emotion you get when you hear it, be it good or bad. All we are doing is trying to put that into words (and opinions)

tru dat. deep man, deep.


music doesn't have to be complicated to be good, nothing wrong with only having 3 chords if they sound good when u are playing them.

kurt did write depressing songs though, but that is not always a bad thing either. when the mood fits i suppose