What IS it with this new 'trend' of overplaying flush draws?

[bennymacca]

exactly aaron, i had many an argument with pete on this forum, before i even met him. thought he was a tool. then i actually met the guy, and, well, um, ok then, um, well pete is an exception to that rule.



only joking peter

[AceLosesKing]

Obviously you have to adapt your play to the stakes that you play. My 888pl game is very different to my micro stakes/ring games with friends/anything higher than 25/50c I'm luckier enough to play. Its all about knowing your opponents and adapting to their styles.

For micro/888pl players, flush draw on flop = NUTS.

Yeah, I used to think Pete was a tool too.

[AJG]

I don't like having all my chips in and being completely at the mercy of the deck!

every single time i get dealt aces or kings, i am looking to get it in preflop - ride the wave or variance i say!

just thought i would emphasise preflop here

And here I thought we as poker players were trying to minimise the impact of variance...

I love going all in preflop. Saves work on later streets.

That sounds like someone with no faith in their postflop game (not saying YOU dont, just the comment sounds like it)

[AJG]

AND so it keeps happening!
Can hardly beleive some people's preflop raise calling standards...

#Game No : 57389467
***** Cassava Hand History for Game 57389467 *****
$75/$150 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** 26 06 2009 23:49:34
Tournament #23763370 $3 + $0.30 - Table #4 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: chrissyfossy ( $2,720 )
Seat 2: coolcall88 ( $7,852 )
Seat 3: alan.nisbet ( $2,525 )
Seat 4: gocrow11 ( $4,422 )
Seat 5: hairbear47 ( $2,931 )
Seat 6: .pKoIkNeGr. ( $9,345 )
Seat 7: 3120TG ( $3,488 )
chrissyfossy posts big blind [$150]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to .pKoIkNeGr. [ Ts, Td ]
coolcall88 folds
alan.nisbet folds
gocrow11 folds
hairbear47 calls [$150]
.pKoIkNeGr. raises [$450]
3120TG folds
chrissyfossy folds
hairbear47 calls [$300]
** Dealing flop ** [ 9s, 6s, 3c ]
hairbear47 checks
.pKoIkNeGr. bets [$999]
hairbear47 calls [$999]
** Dealing turn ** [ Qs ]
hairbear47 checks
.pKoIkNeGr. checks
** Dealing river ** [ Qh ]
hairbear47 checks
.pKoIkNeGr. checks
** Summary **
hairbear47 shows [ 3s, 2s ]
.pKoIkNeGr. shows [ Ts, Td ]
hairbear47 collected [ $3,048 ]

3 F ing! 2, and didnt even have the sense to value bet when he DID hit!

[AceLosesKing]

AJG: Heard it somewhere, and picked it up cos its hilarious

[bennymacca]

so AJG, are you telling me that you wouldn't get it all in with aces or kings preflop because you are worried about losing?

please sit on my table

[AJG]

so AJG, are you telling me that you wouldn't get it all in with aces or kings preflop because you are worried about losing?

please sit on my table

Deepstacked, I would call an allin with AA or KK, but you will NEVER see me raising allin preflop... only when I get shortstacked will I push preflop.

First hand of a tournament: Stacks 5K Blinds 25/50 (std 888PL bigger tourney), you get AA and its folded to you in MP, you gonna shove preflop?? Id rather win more than 75 with my Aces! (unless someone has KK or QQ to, then u might get a call)

Actually, I ammend that 'NEVER' statement before to: if there is a raise(es) in front of me, and my reraise will be more than 1/2 my chips (or it is already raised to 1/2 my chips), then I will push, but that hardly ever happens...
I meant if I am the first raiser, I wont push preflop deepstacked.

And allin preflop can only INCREASE variance, as there is no more action, you are completely at the mercy of the next 7 cards in the deck (including the burns)

[AceLosesKing]

so AJG, are you telling me that you wouldn't get it all in with aces or kings preflop because you are worried about losing?

please sit on my table

Deepstacked, I would call an allin with AA or KK, but you will NEVER see me raising allin preflop... only when I get shortstacked will I push preflop.

First hand of a tournament: Stacks 5K Blinds 25/50 (std 888PL bigger tourney), you get AA and its folded to you in MP, you gonna shove preflop?? Id rather win more than 75 with my Aces! (unless someone has KK or QQ to, then u might get a call)

Actually, I ammend that 'NEVER' statement before to: if there is a raise(es) in front of me, and my reraise will be more than 1/2 my chips (or it is already raised to 1/2 my chips), then I will push, but that hardly ever happens...
I meant if I am the first raiser, I wont push preflop deepstacked.

No one is going to push all in like that

benny the cunt is obv referring to your "NEVER" situations.

[AJG]

every single time i get dealt aces or kings, i am looking to get it in preflop - ride the wave or variance i say!

Good to know...
Next time I see you push your 3K+ stack with 50/100 blinds, it will be rather easy to put u on a hand!

[maccatak11]

AJG i think you completely misunderstand if you think people are going to open shove for 20+ BB with AA or KK. What they are talking about it after there has been a raise and possibly a reraise in front of you, there is no point in flat calling. You should want to get as many chips in the pot pre-flop with these hands, knowing that you are dominating almost everyone.

Correct me if im wrong, but from your posts, if there was a raise and a reraise in front of you, and you are holding KK, then you would just be flatting so as not to potentially risk all of your stack?? Im getting as many chips in the middle before the flop as i can with these hands.