How do people play and win like this?

[bennymacca]

limping, then calling a raise is not a bad idea here, because that limper now has position on you for the rest of the hand

this is a great spot to be in, because if its a scary board, its very easy to push you off the hand.

it was just bad luck that you both flopped monsters, but his monster was just a little bit bigger than yours


edit: garth pretty much said it - its pretty much the textbook definition of standard.
also, 888plforum monopoly tournament? pretty sure i would wipe the floor.

[BigPete33]

<sigh of relief>

[trishan]

So standard that I cannot believe this thread is two pages long and for anyone who says "why didn't he fold, what an idiot" I suggest you take up another game, like cluedo or monopoly or something.

LOL

[Chelsea4thewin]

nice response garth

[AJG]

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and most flops will present a possibility of taking down the pot against a nit.
You don't fold, you can shove and race, but you have position. So flat is the best option especially against a tight passive player.
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So standard that I cannot believe this thread is two pages long and for anyone who says "why didn't he fold, what an idiot" I suggest you take up another game, like cluedo or monopoly or something.

This is the 2nd time I have been referred to as a 'nit' (or it has been implied), which apart from being generally considered a derogitory poker term, like d.onk, is simply not an accurate description of my play. Neither is Tight-Passive...
Where does this perception come from?
And if you say that you are not saying I play like this, well this discussion is about a hand played with me...

I have never played you Garth, and the other player(s) that have made similar remarks have only played at my table for maybe 3 or 4 levels, 5 at most, before one of us either busted or was moved. Hardly enough to make generalizations on my style...
As i said previously, I raised that size, cos I was more than happy with the 1500 already in the middle, and I had seen this player call even larger raises with some very marginal hands (judging from what won the showdown, that he lost to)

HU at a full or nearly full table is different from normal 2 at the table HU...

@Brett: I am reversing the hand and being realistic. Commiting 10% of my stack preflop with 66, even HU, isnt a instacall to me. I didnt make the OP as a joke and did think about it, thats why I made OP...

[bennymacca]

nit isn't derogatory, just means you are very tight

and pretty much every post that you have made on this forum as been about conservative play. which is why u have the perception of being weak tight.

from the times i have played with you, which is not much, i see no reason to think this is a bad assessment of your game

dont take that as a personal insult, because its not intended to be.

and believe me, garth will tell you how he sees it. i could dig up some of his assessments of me if you want

[bennymacca]

AJG, do you use poker tracker at all?

do you know what sort of stats u play at?

[AJG]

nit isn't derogatory, just means you are very tight

OK, but I have read it sometimes defined as that, with the addition of something like 'usually meant as a negative category like fish etc in that the player is so tight as to be too easily readable and hence usually will not win much, but not suffer as much variance, hence implying they dont posess the same allround skill as the more loose players from TAG on... Basically a preflop, fit/fold player. Thats just how i understood the term.
Even in Gus Hansen in his book I posted about previously, mentions this term as, I think he said 'not complimantary', 'generally not used with affection' or something to that nature.
But if it wasnt intended like that fair enough, understood....

I didnt see this post until after i answered your question benny the cunt. I also regenerated the reports (and had some more hands to import) and included ring games, and filtered for 'This Year' not prev 6 months like i said in chat. That info can be read in this post.

I will honestly say though, that if I collected stats from my play on 888, it would be somewhat tighter than refelcted in that post, but not a lot.

[AJG]

nit isn't derogatory, just means you are very tight

and pretty much every post that you have made on this forum as been about conservative play. which is why u have the perception of being weak tight.
OMG, like maybe 10 hand posts I have made and im boxed!
from the times i have played with you, which is not much, i see no reason to think this is a bad assessment of your game
Again, a few levels at most... Could have been when u saw me I wasnt get many cards in the right positions? And as I said previously, I do tend to be tad more conservative on 888 (after some experience here). You just dont (rarely) get people calling pot size bets chasing gutshots in $100 or $200 buyin MTTs on Stars or in the Sunday Millions, or limp/calling with A2o UTG to your MP raise with AK, then calling the pot on the A96r flop 'because they usually hit their Ace-Duece', turning a 2 and stacking you...

dont take that as a personal insult, because its not intended to be.
I didnt.... I think (hope) weve got that bs behind us?

and believe me, garth will tell you how he sees it. i could dig up some of his assessments of me if you want
I want people to tell me how they see it, else i wont post about hands... refere back to first commented reply above...

[Garth Kay]

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and most flops will present a possibility of taking down the pot against a nit.
You don't fold, you can shove and race, but you have position. So flat is the best option especially against a tight passive player.
.....
So standard that I cannot believe this thread is two pages long and for anyone who says "why didn't he fold, what an idiot" I suggest you take up another game, like cluedo or monopoly or something.

This is the 2nd time I have been referred to as a 'nit' (or it has been implied), which apart from being generally considered a derogitory poker term, like d.onk, is simply not an accurate description of my play. Neither is Tight-Passive...
Where does this perception come from?
And if you say that you are not saying I play like this, well this discussion is about a hand played with me...

I have never played you Garth, and the other player(s) that have made similar remarks have only played at my table for maybe 3 or 4 levels, 5 at most, before one of us either busted or was moved. Hardly enough to make generalizations on my style...
As i said previously, I raised that size, cos I was more than happy with the 1500 already in the middle, and I had seen this player call even larger raises with some very marginal hands (judging from what won the showdown, that he lost to)

HU at a full or nearly full table is different from normal 2 at the table HU...

@Brett: I am reversing the hand and being realistic. Commiting 10% of my stack preflop with 66, even HU, isnt a instacall to me. I didnt make the OP as a joke and did think about it, thats why I made OP...

Nit is nowhere near a derogitory term, it is often used to describe tight passive/ slightly aggressive players. A few years back it was perhaps perceived as a non positive statement but the poker world continues to evolve and players accept that their are many different styles and many of these playing styles can be profitable - more than one way to win.

You can ask many players here who have played with me in a live setting, or over the years, or who have even watched me play live and they will tell you that I can read players very well (when I am focusing and not looking to beat Murrin with a dirty hand). It is a talent that I am proud of, but when it come to reading players not all of my information is derived from actions from the poker table but also from discussions with my opponents in between hands and away from the table. Once you have an idea of general baseline behaviour you can then monitor for actions that are above the baseline and determine what this means.

Went off tangent there, but apart from that the way people write/communicate/talk and discuss in general transfers itself to the table. Not only have you posted several hand histories here that could be described as tight passive but you have also been involved in several discussions that elaborates on your thinking patterns and playing strategy.

I can generally asses a player in a very short amount of time and from your discussions I would assume several things -
You limp a lot of hands, especially in position, rather than using your position to isolate or take down pots.
Limp calls also play about 33% of your pre flop action (when not folding)
You raise from position with the top 10 - 15% of hands, but often try to trap OOP on a perceived aggressive table with the top 5% of hands.
You fold 65% of hands to a 3 or 4 bet pre flop.
Wet boards are an aggressive players wet dream against you as you are thinking player who notices too much texture but applies too much thought, any true aggression from you on a wet board is an insta muck from me.
Bet sizing and pot control is dependant on your hand strength, you may limp to trap PF but generally you lead with strong bets Post.

That's all I can think of right now without discussing a lot more, by the way none of the above is an insult but a simple appraisal of the type of player I see you as.

Commiting 10% of my stack preflop with 66, even HU, isnt a instacall to me.

Of course it's not. But in your scenario in full ring mode, it almost is, hence the standard part of my response earlier.