How do you know you are winning player?

[maccatak11]

yeah, obviously if your bankroll is increasing, then you are a winning player.

The HAS to be a timeframe in hands/tourneys attached to this.

If i put my whole roll on a table, play 300 hands and end up $20 am i a winning player? I have won some money, but i think that is different to being a 'winnning player'. Plety of bad players win money in short/medium periods of time as we all know.

I guess this thread has developed into what people mean by a 'winning player', and thats also interesting convo too.

[BigPete33]

Again, it all comes back to what YOU want to achieve.

On the assumption your goal includes any amount of profit, if you're achieving it - surely it's fair enough to consider yourself a 'winning' player?

If others agree/disagree/can't decide - does that really make any difference?

A figure reached by general consensus might be a reasonable thing to use as a guide, but it's not up to anyone but yourself what you should be happy with so as AJG said, pick a goal and aim for it and if you hit it feel free to call yourself a winner.

[AJG]

Well I think we can agree that a winning player is one who wins consitently, not just over a session or 2?
Basically this would boil down to 'how ever long you've been playing'?
If someone had only been playing for 2 months, but was up, sure they havent been playing long enough for variance to really kick in, but up over first 2 months is good... And if your up over like 2+ years, even better.

What I meant about BR > deposits wasnt "I blew $1K in my 1st month, reloaded $200 and won 2K in the next $20 tournament I played". That would be a losing player, as it was a single win that put them back ahead.

Downswings are obv part of the game, hence BR management, but if you threw out BR management and put your whole roll on a single table and lost it all, but at your normal stakes you win, then I would regard that a winning player still.

On other forums I have read 2-6BB/100 is a good rate, the higher the stakes the less this figure usually is.
For STTs Im not sure, but 15%+ ROI I think is considered good
For HU SnG, 50%+ is good, I aim for 100% or more (greater roi is one of the reason's i like them most)
MTTs is really difficult to put a figure on cos a single win at Higher stakes can put your ROI through the roof!

+1 to Pete's Post... (came thru while I was writing this)
Up is Up... = winning.
I think it should be a personal thing as to what exact figures you aim for, even how you measure it ($/hr or BB/100 or ROI etc)

[Garth Kay]

It is all about perspective and what you want to achieve as an individual as well as what is accepted by your peers.

It is fine to classify yourself as a winning player if you hit your individual goals, but to be accepted as a winning player in the poker community there are very generic/basic guidelines as outlined previously in this thread.

In terms of tournaments ROI is a good measure but generally consistent performance is a basic guideline. Many sources will claim an ITM (in the money) strike rate of greater than 20 - 30% is a sign of a good player as long as the can ship a tournament 2-7% of the time, but a lot of this can also be affected by stakes and amount of runners.

Each to their own.

[bennymacca]

BRAG

since we are talking about winning players,

over 33 challenge games, i have an ROI of 140%, playing the $3.30 11pm games (with a couple of others). this is an expectation value of 7.90 for each 3.30 i buy in for.

in the past 2 weeks, i have a few cashes that aren't up on the website yet. i haven't included those. i also haven't included the 3 cashes that i have had in the AK rebuy, because i am not sure how much they were for and how much i rebought (but i rebought 11 times once because i was having fun, so it prolly cancels out the win i had )



/BRAG

[BigPete33]

Nice work, Graham.

[bennymacca]

lolz

[krunchie]

Nice work, Graham.

Now thats funny



Where is Gundog anyway, havent seen him on here for a while, I played agaginst him live last night so he is still alive.

[BigPete33]

Oh he's been on, he's just being quiet.

[maccatak11]

Since when was this a brag or payout Gundog thread. There are hundreds of other threads on this forum for specifically that purpose.