ohhh happy days

[Garth Kay]

It's posted in hand history.

Who wants to kick off the discussion?

[AJG]

Ok, I'll give my 2c...

As Garth already said, utg+1 minraise screams of strength, prob QQ+.
You are getting great odds to atleast call, but there are 3 callers before you, and you are OOP post flop. I think a reraise is in order. Going into a 5-way pot with KQo and OOP is asking for trouble imo.
Problem here though is any meaningful reraise commits alot of your chips preflop, so you might as well shove. It seems you were going to with any piece of the flop anyway... So maybe just a flat call, hoping to connect well with the flop is best. If you dont connect, you get away cheap and still have 20BB+ left.

Now given you just flat the raise pre and have hit TP 2nd Kicker, OOP I think a chk-raise (shove) line may be in good here (given you plan to shove the flop)... utg+1 is almost certain to c-bet, and maybe another player or 2 would come along (the other Big Stack, VurBlas?), then you shove, and the others fold, although obv utg+1 isnt going to, and maybe the other big stack might not either depending on the size of the c-bet. With a 3K pot on the flop, you might have got an extra few K in there taking this line, possibly tripling up or more?

Your stack size really limits your options here. the pot is almost half of it on the flop, so you cant really chk-call unless you plan to get it allin on a later street, but that cripples any fold equity you have.
So imo, allin on the flop is the way to go, but Im not sure open shoving is the best option...

[bennymacca]

i agree with aaron here (who would have thought? LOL)

u think a check-shove is the way to go (assuming only the utg raiser bets again)

this is a situation where you are way ahead or way behind. there aren't many draws to speak of except for 56, which is a possibility i guess, but unlikely.

the min raise from utg usually means strength, so you can probably peg his range down to pocket pairs TT+ and AQ+ (the AQ is debatable as well but lets leave it in there)

so either he is smashing you and he has AK, AA or KK, or you have him smashed AQ, QQ, JJ, TT.

when you open shove, most of the time he will fold those hands that you beat. so you dont get any value out of them. but by checking, you let him cbet with this whole range - i.e on a board like that, QQ/JJ would be good a decent amount of time, so he would probably want to bet again. then when you shove over the top of him, you get maximum value because he is prolly comitted.

another reason why you would want to check is that there were lots of limpers. they could wind up with random stuff like K7, 44, 77 etc.

if you check and the utg raiser cbets, and then one of other limpers raises this, there is a pretty good chance u are beat and you can lay your hand down whilst losing the minimum.