Time to change the sizes of the online games...

[rcon]

its not +EV at all because you dont have an opportunity to ever double up, which is where good players can apply their edge - i.e getting a bit stack and use it.

I started trying to writing this reply, but it got too long winded. nicely put.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

its not +EV at all because you dont have an opportunity to ever double up, which is where good players can apply their edge - i.e getting a bit stack and use it.

Not so sure I agree. You would see more hands than a full table. possibly 3-4 times more. And in the example given there is still two other live players. So a double up is possible. But just stealing blinds at 3 times the hand rate of a full table would add to your stack.

Just think of it as 7 superduper tight players.

CT

[bennymacca]

and 7 loose passive below average players are always better than 7 super nits.

also, stacking someone is probably 50BB in a tourney. thats a lot of stealing to be done.

[Conspiracy Theorist]

and 7 loose passive below average players are always better than 7 super nits.

But no risk against the dead stacks.

also, stacking someone is probably 50BB in a tourney. thats a lot of stealing to be done.

3-4 orbits I reckon. Assuming your taking the blinds everyhand.

CT

[AceLosesKing]

In an 888pl event, if you're +EV in the field, players > deadstacks.

[Caleb]

Just think of it as 7 superduper tight players.

7 Bruces?

That's a scary thought.

[bennymacca]

if you are a good player, would you rather 9 horrible players on your table or just 3 or whatever?

[Conspiracy Theorist]

if you are a good player, would you rather 9 horrible players on your table or just 3 or whatever?

The issue is dead stacks in online tourneys. Im not saying I'd rather a table of them to a full table of playing players. Im saying that its not the worst possible thing that can happen in a tourney, which it seems to be given the amount of times it has been brought up.

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[bennymacca]

assuming you have an EV advantage over the field, it is most definitely the worst thing that can happen.

i can't think of a worse case really.

if you are talking about comparing it to a full table of tough pros or something, then sure, but lets face it, the online tourneys that we play in, even on other sites, are never like that

[trishan]

Having dead stacks is +EV, it's just the magnitude of the EV that would be incredibly small depending where the blinds are at. The EV on a table with no players is just the sum of BB and SB.