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[bennymacca]

Limited info is the key word.

what would the button limp then shove with. He could even be firing off with air, thinking that Gmatical has bottom pair or SFA.

Obviously we can take the time, run it through stove find the numbers and go yeah the fold is the right option.

As it stands heat of the moment, Live tourney, a 40k stack is trying to get and extra 8k into his stack. Another stack is looking at the double up to go to 80k, you can easily get blinded into making the call.

I probably would call off every day of the week and find i have run into aces and praying the board doesn't counterfeit or drop the 2 other aces left. Flush draws and straight draws means oh bugger.

would you EVER raise someone all in on that board with air?

there is no hand that you are better than 60% against, except for airballs.

pretty horrible spot to get your chips in really

[Garth Kay]

I'm 50/50 here.

With the information supplied, I step away from a table and flip a coin. I would struggle to find a fold here, but calling off my tournament life on a straight/flushing board with bottom two makes mu pull up on the breaks.

I would like to know more about my tournament equity, how many players to the money, amount of starters, players left, pay outs of places, average stack, etc......

Then if possible I am after more information about playing habits of the button. What type of player is he, how many hands have I seen him play.

To be honest, if this occurs online I am making that call 75% of the time.

[bennymacca]

I'm 50/50 here.

With the information supplied, I step away from a table and flip a coin. I would struggle to find a fold here, but calling off my tournament life on a straight/flushing board with bottom two makes mu pull up on the breaks.

I would like to know more about my tournament equity, how many players to the money, amount of starters, players left, pay outs of places, average stack, etc......

Then if possible I am after more information about playing habits of the button. What type of player is he, how many hands have I seen him play.

To be honest, if this occurs online I am making that call 75% of the time.

because i am a tard, i snap without thinking here a lot of the time.


but someone tell me what we beat!

[Garth Kay]

Limited info is the key word.

what would the button limp then shove with. He could even be firing off with air, thinking that Gmatical has bottom pair or SFA.

Obviously we can take the time, run it through stove find the numbers and go yeah the fold is the right option.

As it stands heat of the moment, Live tourney, a 40k stack is trying to get and extra 8k into his stack. Another stack is looking at the double up to go to 80k, you can easily get blinded into making the call.

I probably would call off every day of the week and find i have run into aces and praying the board doesn't counterfeit or drop the 2 other aces left. Flush draws and straight draws means oh bugger.

would you EVER raise someone all in on that board with air?

there is no hand that you are better than 60% against, except for airballs.

pretty horrible spot to get your chips in really

I'm sorry benny the cunt, but in late tournament stages I'm playing any hand with as little an edge as I can possibly gain. Any hand where I have an equity of 60% I am more than willing to get my chips in with.

And depending on the player this shove can be flush draws, striaght draws, top pair type of hands especially considering that the button is not putting their tournament life on the line by shoving.

[Garth Kay]

because i am a tard, i snap without thinking here a lot of the time.
but someone tell me what we beat!

All limped hands with a 9 or K, All possible flush draw combinations, all top pair hands, all top pair hands, all middle pair hands. All limped AA, KK hands, which I find highly unlikely, unless previous history proves players in blinds are hyper aggressive.

I think the button has a wider shoving range here than you are giving him credit for, and in the case of a flopped straight or bottom set or larger two pair, there are small redraws.

But I think you need to be aware that the button will shove with a lot of marginal holding into a SB that limps and leads at that flop. Especially considering that Button will only risk 50% of stack with shove.

[rcon]

But I think you need to be aware that the button will shove with a lot of marginal holding into a SB that limps and leads at that flop. Especially considering that Button will only risk 50% of stack with shove.

I think this is the most pertinent quote - I'm calling off here (unless I get a massively confidant tell from his body language) and I'm thinking I'm good 75+% of the time.

He's thinking SB's bet is a sign they've hit the board, want to know how hard and sure, they'll lay it down to a shove - very possible the BU has air even, I know I've made that move plenty of times (on line mainly, but psssst, dont tell benny the cunt, I like him believing I'm only ever nitty )

[bennymacca]

Any hand where I have an equity of 60% I am more than willing to get my chips in with.

aces are the only hand that you have 60% against. the rest its like 50-50.

And depending on the player this shove can be flush draws, striaght draws, top pair type of hands especially considering that the button is not putting their tournament life on the line by shoving.

all of which you are completely flipping against.


the button isn't putting their tourney life on the line, but it is more than half the stack.

to me, it looks like a huge drawing hand - given the flop shove.

if you fold, you still have 20bb.

I think the button has a wider shoving range here than you are giving him credit for, and in the case of a flopped straight or bottom set or larger two pair, there are small redraws.

its not an open shove though, its a raise.

this, to me, significantly lowers the fold equity, so the bb is telling us that he wants a call.

[bennymacca]

interesting hand though - pretty tough spot

[AceLosesKing]

JT is a bad hand.

[gmatical]

MORE INFO -

500 runners, about 300 left - Pays from 50 up.

BUTTON is classic young F-wit (Hood & Sunnies ) He moved to the table 2 hands prior to this.

I KO'ed a bloke 10 or so hands earlier with JJ on a K J 9 board (He had J9) so my thinking in the J 10 hand was leaning to the fold - as getting it in on bottom 2 might have ended the same way (almost drawing dead) as my opponents J 9 in the above hand.

I am by tight player, but play fast when I have a hand and had showndown 3 winners (and no losers). Unfortunatly the Button was not around to see this.

I thought I had the best hand, but that I was - as everyone has said - likely flipping.

I folded. He showed..................drumroll.................

AA (red).

I was kicking myself, but then again, if he had his hand face up - would it have made my decision any easier?

I appreciate all your thoughts. Tell me what you would do knowing he had AA.

I thought K9 or Nut Flush Draw was his most likely holding given his limp shove. But then 10,10 or JJ were possible. And so many retards do this with AQ (Top, Top) too. AA was bizarre played in a bizarre way.

If i am too confused or genuinely unsure I fold (considering my stack).

In hindsight I think i should have called. The structure was such that there were alot of small stacks 15k or less that were getting desperate - so it was hard to take pots down pre with bets. I've gotta flip sooner or later - so even a 60/40 advantage is an advantage i s'pose.