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Re: NRL Storm

Postby gundog » Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:24 pm

maccatak11 wrote:What penalty would have been more approapriate gundog? I agree that the inability to accrue any points this season is a harsh penalty, and there will be an exodous of players, fans and sponsors during this season, but to think that Melbourne players will give up, or deliberately injure opposition players etc etc is simple an insult to the intelligence of the professional sportsmen that play for the storm.



The whole premiership ladder becomes a farce when a team looses but in effect wins because of sanctions imposed by the NRL, I don’t think any player would deliberately go into a game with the intent off injuring an opposition player and more so now why would you put yourself in a position when a career ending injury or suspension because of a callous act.

The players were not the people that devised the scheme to rort the salary cap, and they would have no idea of what transpired by the management, why should the players be penalized so harshly when they haven’t cheated all they have done is put the heart, sole and bodies on the line week in week out.

The management past and present and the licence holder should pay all the fines plus an additional fine of whatever the salary cap breech was for the last x years, the licence holder should be forced to put up for sale the licence and excluded from holding another licence for 10 years, as for the club management they should all be sacked.

As for the 2 Premierships and 3 minor premierships to strip them, they become meaningless to the clubs that lost on the day how can they brag, oh we lost the grand final but we have the premiership trophy.
It’s the players that won the premiership not the administrators, sure you can say that because of the salary cap breach the Storm was able to retain players that may or may not have gone to other clubs that is subjective because we are not privy what transpired between the player’s managers and the club management and in fact they may have stayed at the club for lesser amounts.

Because of the total effect of the sanctions imposed on the storm by the NRL they have no sponsors etc and no reason to even try in 2010.

The next question to be asked is the reserves team also playing for no points if and I was Coach and selection committee, I wouldn’t be selecting any current 1st grade players unless they sign a contract committing to stay at the Storm for the next 2 years, and play the reserve grade players to see what’s on offer for the future.

I wouldn’t be surprised if every other club in the NRL is rorting the salary cap, the blame lies squarely with the NRL as they were not strong enough to bring in a draft system, the players representatives challenged the NRL’s draft rules in courts and won, that is why you see players signing contracts with opposition clubs before the season is over, clubs could be forced into higher payments and resigning players because of other clubs raiding uncontracted players mid season.
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby krunchie » Sat Apr 24, 2010 5:41 pm

you have some incorect assumptions here gundog

if a team looses to the storm they dont win

the storm dont get points for the remainder of the season but you still have to beat them to get your points, fail to win the game and no one gets points.

The players may not have not had implicent knowledge but they did benifit, it has already been indicated that the two sets of books meant bonus or second payments to players so you can bet they knew.

Yes the storm has been stripped of their silverwear but it has NOT been given to the loosing teams from those grand finals, so your point about the loosing teams at the grand finals now having premierships is incorect, In effect those years now have no premier against the year.

Simply put i would suggest you read the details more
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby maccatak11 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:27 pm

krunchie wrote:you have some incorect assumptions here gundog

if a team looses to the storm they dont win

the storm dont get points for the remainder of the season but you still have to beat them to get your points, fail to win the game and no one gets points.

The players may not have not had implicent knowledge but they did benifit, it has already been indicated that the two sets of books meant bonus or second payments to players so you can bet they knew.

Yes the storm has been stripped of their silverwear but it has NOT been given to the loosing teams from those grand finals, so your point about the loosing teams at the grand finals now having premierships is incorect, In effect those years now have no premier against the year.

Simply put i would suggest you read the details more



You beat me to it krunchman. correct here. Melbourne aren't forfeiting their points from each match, the other team still have to beat them, and Manly and Paramatta, who Melbourne beat in their premiership years have not been awarded the premiership for that year.

It is yet to be determined whether or not the players knew, but im betting that some did, so we will wait for the full fallout from this in time.
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby gundog » Sat Apr 24, 2010 6:54 pm

How dangerous is this

On Thursday NRL boss David Gallop acted alone in punishing the club, fearing a conflict of interest for the three board members from News Limited, the owners of the Storm.


One man making a decision by doing this he put pressue on the board to support his actions.

The six-member board, which consists of Keith Brodie, Roy Miller and Katie Page for News Limited plus ARL members Barry Pierce, John Chalk and Bob Millward, held a telephone conference on Saturday to discuss the decision.

While not formally recording a vote all six gave their support to the ruling.

Gallop said in a statement released late on Saturday that the decision to make Storm play the remainder of the season for no points was debated, but said the NRL had little option but to stand by the ruling


Could this actually open the door for the Storm to take this to the courts.
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby maccatak11 » Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:45 pm

Why? If the board endorsed the decision then why can they take it to court?

And both the melbourne chairman and the melbourne CEO have accepted the decision handed down by david gallop and the NRL. So why would they take them to court?
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby Adam Hancock » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:23 am

krunchie wrote:The players may not have not had implicent knowledge but they did benifit, it has already been indicated that the two sets of books meant bonus or second payments to players so you can bet they knew.


Have to disagree here Krunch. A player like Billy Slater signs over 6 contracts per season including the QLDRL and the ARL contracts needed to play rep footy. He has channel 9 contracts and contracts with companies like Rexona and ADIDAS.

These guys are not accountants. Truthfully a lot of them are probably not even that bright. They give 10% of everything they earn to their managers so they DON'T have to read fine-print and think about things like the salary cap.

Third-party endorsements come in all different types of "non-cash" payments, so not even that fact can put any weight on the argument that the players may have known.

Finally, I would like to know how many of you guys (not in senior management roles) know the exact amount of money your employer spends on paying employees in any financial year.......
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby maccatak11 » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:18 pm

I do!!! :D (about 3 million) (but really not sure what this point has to do with our argument - players aren't expected to know, so this is irrelevant).

If managers of players knew they were recieving extra payments outside of their 'regular' comtract (they are trained to read fine print, so they must have known) and they held this from the players, then this is not an excuse for the players in my opinion. Nor is 'being dumb' and excuse either. Not that the players will be held to account for any of this (and i dont believe they should be either), so we are probably arguing a moot point here, but the players simply cannot be totally innocent here.
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby krunchie » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:35 pm

sorry adam but im with macca here

I know where my money comes from, each month, just because i dont earn 7 figure sums doesnt mean i get to shrug my shoulders and say , ............. i dunno where the money comes from.

Thats no excuse in my books, they have benifited from something illegal, that is their buisness .
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby bennymacca » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:11 pm

i am certain that most of the players would know where 99% of their money would come from. maybe not some free gear from some company, but especially when its a 15k "enternainment allowance"

a managers job is not to manage money for them, but to manage the negotiation of the contracts.

just because the player might not know nuts and bolts of the contract, they will sure as hell know the end result - i.e squilla in their wallet
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Re: NRL Storm

Postby gundog » Fri May 14, 2010 5:56 pm

gundog wrote:How dangerous is this

On Thursday NRL boss David Gallop acted alone in punishing the club, fearing a conflict of interest for the three board members from News Limited, the owners of the Storm.


One man making a decision by doing this he put pressue on the board to support his actions.

The six-member board, which consists of Keith Brodie, Roy Miller and Katie Page for News Limited plus ARL members Barry Pierce, John Chalk and Bob Millward, held a telephone conference on Saturday to discuss the decision.

While not formally recording a vote all six gave their support to the ruling.

Gallop said in a statement released late on Saturday that the decision to make Storm play the remainder of the season for no points was debated, but said the NRL had little option but to stand by the ruling


Could this actually open the door for the Storm to take this to the courts.


Looks as though the NRL/David Gallop may have to prove that due process was followed now that 4 directors of the Storm will take this to the courts.

As a footnote a RL great Steve Mortimer has come out in support of the Storms action.
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