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[FYTSolo]

I sent this to the person in charge as a possible solution that would cater to frequent players as well as players with great averages, but who are unable to play as often. The charts below are from a couple of weeks ago, so some averages have now changed, but it helps to point out my argument.


To whom it may concern:



I am a current player in the NPL of South Australia. I enjoy it very much.

I would like to suggest what I believe would be a fairer way of giving a person a position on the State Leader Boards according to their results.

I do understand that having people use the top 15 games as their average is a great way to encourage players to play as often as possible.

Some of the top players have indeed played many games. This is a nice reward to them for their commitment to this great poker league.

However many of us who would also like to play as often as that unfortunately don’t have those luxuries due to family/work/etc commitments.

I would like to suggest that a table is created for top players that have played at least 15 (or whatever) games in a season, but the average is based on all of the games they have played and not just the top 15. This would give players with good averages a better chance as I believe this system is shutting out some of the really good players that can not play 30 - 80+ games in a season.

Perhaps with these two different Leader boards, the top 25 from each get to play in the finals. This benefits both players with great averages and those who fully commit to playing as often as they can.



Below I have copied the (top 25) current Leader board and have added a column at the end with the overall averages.

The second chart shows players in order of real percentage and with at least 15 games played.

There are only 3 players that make both lists.



Place Name Avg Pts Played Points Wins Avg
1 Steve Bell 67.65 48 1463.6 1 30.49
2 Jason Deakin 65.97 55 1580.3 1 28.73
3 Pinky (Damian Ieraci) 62.55 61 1611.5 3 26.42
4 Rocco Francese 61.39 50 1483 2 29.66
5 Nicholas Ash 60.15 76 1829.15 3 24.07
6 Robert Britvic 59.11 62 1548.15 1 24.97
7 Terry Hutchinson 58.34 57 1414.2 2 24.81
8 Todd Fullagar 57.87 57 1399.85 4 24.56
9 Tony Bickle 57.81 71 1776.25 2 25.02
10 Paul Sparks 57.77 55 1305.55 3 23.74
11 Coconut (Tazz Leapai) 56.89 46 1191.3 1 25.90
12 Andrew Sneath 55.93 68 1506.4 1 22.15
13 Brad Harvey 54.94 72 1624.65 1 22.56
14 Tony Ward 53.96 51 1305.5 25.60
15 Eugene Wong 53.86 81 1695.15 3 20.93
16 Matthew Guilleaume 53.2 60 1244 20.73
17 Steven Baulderstone 52.7 67 1373.35 1 20.50
18 Tom Calderwood 52.61 33 969.15 1 29.37
19 Kosta Economou 51.68 53 1319.45 6 24.90
20 Steven Nissen 50.98 54 1212.4 22.45
21 Scott Weir 50.85 38 982.7 1 25.86
22 Enzo Demizio 50.06 65 1240.85 1 19.09
23 Chris Bray 50.03 43 1020.4 1 23.73
24 Deano Kessner 49.99 44 1135.6 25.81
25 Tim O'Reilly 49.55 66 1361 20.62



Place Name Avg Pts Played Points Wins Avg
1 Lisa Bunting 36.36 15 545.35 36.36
2 Sam Hehir 32.83 15 492.4 1 32.83
3 Adrian Gravelle 33.41 16 511.2 2 31.95
4 mark mckenna 31.57 15 473.5 31.57
5 Patrick Falckh 31.24 15 468.65 1 31.24
6 Ross Dennie 31.06 15 465.95 1 31.06
7 George Gourzis 32.79 16 491.9 1 30.74
8 Steve Bell 67.65 48 1463.6 1 30.49
9 Ian Howarth 49.27 34 1028.4 2 30.25
10 scott martin 38.26 21 633.95 1 30.19
11 Stuart Cleverly 43.8 30 900.9 30.03
12 Carl Haigh 39.22 22 658.3 1 29.92
13 Brett Tarca 44.97 26 774.55 1 29.79
14 AJ (John) Piro 29.7 15 445.5 29.70
15 Rocco Francese 61.39 50 1483 2 29.66
16 Chris Morony 33.56 18 533.4 29.63
17 Matthew Weeks 42.5 25 737.55 5 29.50
18 Justin Hoad 37.27 21 619 3 29.48
19 Hamish Eske 38.47 21 617.1 29.39
20 Tom Calderwood 52.61 33 969.15 1 29.37
21 Tony Wood 29.25 15 438.75 1 29.25
22 Kristen Deane 45.19 28 816.8 1 29.17
23 Sam (Tsambikos) Kazonis 44.49 36 1044.5 1 29.01
24 Sheldon Lim 41.04 24 695.55 28.98
25 Matthew Kelly 30.11 16 461.65 1 28.85



Patrick Falckh for example has a great average, but is not in the top five of any pub and is not on the (top 50) leader board, but according to his average is outplaying all of the top 25 on the original Leader board. He may be precluded from the final, therefore losing a top candidate to represent this great State of South Australia.

Note: I do not know Patrick and/or anybody affiliated with him.

Please consider this and/or something to cater for these players, as this would be a better representation of the top players in the state.

[cush]

I disagree... for example... the Palais

The week 1 winner will have an average of 90 points or so... based on 80 runners

Thus they dont need to play the other 9 weeks. It just wouldnt work.

yes it would...

because when round 2 comes around and he doesn't turn up.. he scores 0..

because

sum(Round Scores) / Rounds Completed = Average

(90 + 0) / 2 = 45

and after round 3

(90 + 0 + 0) / 3 = 30

and so on until the end of round 10 where he's average is now 9.

some examples

Joe Turns up Every game at one venue and DNP

at the end of the season his average is 1

[Des]

But you dont get a DNP or a 0 if you dont play.

Im too busy at work to really get into this. Have a great day

[BigPete33]

I disagree... for example... the Palais

The week 1 winner will have an average of 90 points or so... based on 80 runners

Thus they dont need to play the other 9 weeks. It just wouldnt work.

I think it meant something different to that Des, I read it as total points gained over number of rounds for that season.

It would mean everyone would have to start off on every leaderboard though.

[cush]

I disagree... for example... the Palais

The week 1 winner will have an average of 90 points or so... based on 80 runners

Thus they dont need to play the other 9 weeks. It just wouldnt work.

I think it meant something different to that Des, I read it as total points gained over number of rounds for that season.

It would mean everyone would have to start off on every leaderboard though.

well... unless a "clever" web developer adds "WHERE sum(Results) > 0" to his/her SQL..

[Des]

If the top 5 all play the 10 weeks... the averages will still have them in the same positions... you'll find in most cases its the same regardless of average or total points if everyone plays 10 games

[Garth Kay]

It's amazing how this debate rears it's ugly heads towards the end of every season.
Cush, how does your system really change anything at a venue level? Does it advantage everybody without disadvantaging anybody?
FYTsolo, Take solace in the fact that you have the third best true average in the state, the reason we run the State Leaderboard the way we do is to reward our multi game players, some people are unhappy with this system, most don't care.
This argument has been done to death and I have issued reply after reply as to why this system was introduced. I suggest you read these replies.
And lastly I would like to add that introducing leaderboards based on an average of best 15 games is proving to be successful, with very little drop off across the state, unlike that which we normally see at the end of the season. Last week was the third biggest week SA has seen in terms of numbers playing.

[BigPete33]

Touchy, isn't he?

[Luke05(Jamo)]

i don't care about state leader board, i don't even reackon i have been on the npl home site for 3-4 weeks.

[cush]

It's amazing how this debate rears it's ugly heads towards the end of every season.
Cush, how does your system really change anything at a venue level? Does it advantage everybody without disadvantaging anybody?
FYTsolo, Take solace in the fact that you have the third best true average in the state, the reason we run the State Leaderboard the way we do is to reward our multi game players, some people are unhappy with this system, most don't care.
This argument has been done to death and I have issued reply after reply as to why this system was introduced. I suggest you read these replies.
And lastly I would like to add that introducing leaderboards based on an average of best 15 games is proving to be successful, with very little drop off across the state, unlike that which we normally see at the end of the season. Last week was the third biggest week SA has seen in terms of numbers playing.

Players playing at multiple venues are already rewarded simply by probablility, rewarding them beyond that is where, i think, people start to feel it's becoming unfair.