AQ - Do you believe the river shove?

[AceLosesKing]

Hasn't hit a flush draw, hasn't improved any likely holdings - get more $$ in - carp, get as much in as you can. Get so much in that he will fold underpairs to the Q.

Huh? We don't want him folding underpairs to the Queen, we want value from worse hands.

[bennymacca]

yeah i didn't understand that bit either.

you are saying that we have a good hand, so bet, but surely we are betting for value, not to get hands to fold

[gmatical]

yeah i didn't understand that bit either.

you are saying that we have a good hand, so bet, but surely we are betting for value, not to get hands to fold

I prefer to bet out the flush draw & if under pairs fold - the hand is wrapped up and the chips come my way.

If underpairs call (which fishy players do) all the better. The bet is also to make your mind up and commit to the hand come what may (ie scared off by a flush card).

I read a few posts on this forum, and alot of them become problems because of players unsure of what they are going to do on later streets. Whilst my play may seem unorthodox - I think my play would have ended this pot with you the winner.

Winning cash players are aggressive, decisive players. The pots they force people out of cover the hands when an opponent has them crushed (Highly unlikely U were crushed in this hand pre river). Betting for value should be a secondary thought, a thought you concern yourself when you have the nuts (or near enough to it).
To answer the title of this thread - do I believe the river shove? No. I believed he had a hand, but not one beating yours. His shove was stupid IMO.

What bet would you have called (if any) ?

[AceLosesKing]

You seem to think along the lines of "if a player bets an Ace high flop that automatically narrows their range to an Ace and an Ace alone."


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[gmatical]

You seem to think along the lines of "if a player bets an Ace high flop that automatically narrows their range to an Ace and an Ace alone."


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I don't know where you got this from.

I just like to bet my good hands until someones betting suggests they have me beat.

[bennymacca]

I prefer to bet out the flush draw & if under pairs fold - the hand is wrapped up and the chips come my way.

why would you want the hands that you beat to fold?

if this is the case, you should just wait until you get aces and then just open shove every hand. you would be folding out everything you beat, mission accomplished right?

of course not, thats just silly. the whole point of poker is to minimise the losses when you are behind and maximise your winnings when you are ahead. if you just get them to fold every time they are behind, you will make no money at all, and then they will flop a monster that you didn't expect and they will take your chips.

I just like to bet my good hands until someones betting suggests they have me beat.

if thats how you play, i would just call the flop and snap raise you on the turn every time, and you would fold.

imho, if you want to improve as a poker player and move above and beyond the 888pl freerolls, you need to get away from this mentality and start thinking about your hand in relation to what the other person could hold, and how to get value from their possible holdings when you have a better hand.