Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

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Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby AceLosesKing » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:07 pm

Villian is a LAG, triple barrelled me with AT high on 9Q554. Stats were laggy, and he limped a lot.

No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($10.15)
MP ($11.49)
Button ($3.66)
Hero (SB) ($19.48)
BB ($16.57)

Preflop: Hero is SB with JImage, 10Image
UTG bets $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.70) QImage, 8Image, 5Image (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.50) 9Image (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises $3.80, UTG calls $2.80

River: ($9.10) 5Image (2 players)
Hero ???

Has $5.65 left on river.

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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby Caleb » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:11 pm

Are you ever going to fold here against a "mega fish" for $5.65 into $9.10?

You committed yourself to the pot with the raise on the turn. Right or wrong, the money is going in here.
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby AceLosesKing » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:15 pm

Really I want to know if we're shoving or c/c.
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby Caleb » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:17 pm

Money in first, more ways to win hand yada yada.....
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby Caleb » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:25 pm

Just reading it back, what are you scared of? Back door flush? Raised pre with Q5 and keep pushing after flopping 2? Flopped set?

Please.

The turn re-raise sets up the shove on the river. Top pair will call. If he has air again he may get soft after you called him down the last time.
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby maccatak11 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:48 pm

we are assuming we are good here caleb, so we are looking for value - fold equity is a moot point here.

If he has backdoored a flush then meh, and a set/house is unlikey too (you might have thought he would shove turn instead of calling and leaving himself with not much left).

I shove though, if he is laggy he will likely call with all top pair hands and pocket pairs too. If you raised turn and checked river it looks weird and might make villain check behind. I think the fact that villain called your turn raise means he has resigned himself to stacking off. so shove it in.
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby bennymacca » Tue Jun 01, 2010 5:50 pm

yes, its a scare card, but given villains line, he doesn't ever have a set here.

if he got lucky and runner runner flushed it then so be it.

i prolly shove here
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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby gmatical » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:13 pm

I think this is a pretty standard shove.

a scare card is scary to him too don't forget.

If u check and he bets (value or shove), i expect you will call down anyway more often then not.

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Re: Float the flop and turn gin, river line on ugly board?

Postby AceLosesKing » Tue Jun 01, 2010 6:42 pm

Was just checking here too guys, I think shoving is the right play as well. Pretty meh river card but as played its a def shove and nothing else.

bennymacca wrote:yes, its a scare card, but given villains line, he doesn't ever have a set here.


Villian had QQ :D
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