Misclick leads to tough descison.....

After reading this thread and all of the arguments put forward do you

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a.) CALL?
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b.) FOLD
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c.) Get a better mouse.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby gmatical » Fri Jun 11, 2010 6:02 pm

bennymacca wrote:
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muzzington wrote:There's always the slight chance the reg knows you missclicked on a standard button raise and is shoving lighter than usual.


+1 - you made the right call against a reship range. Depending on villain I might event move his range out to 7 or 8%


this is a good point.

if you know he is a reg, chances are he thinks of you in the same way, and therefore knows that you will be opening the button light, and that this is a massive misclick


This is some advanced poker thinking. I can not understand how advising calling $100 with J6 is helpful.

In the heat of the moment, I can understand why BionicMike did what he did, but in the cold light of day I would have thought fold is the only option.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby Garth Kay » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:04 pm

gmatical wrote:This is some advanced poker thinking. I can not understand how advising calling $100 with J6 is helpful.

In the heat of the moment, I can understand why BionicMike did what he did, but in the cold light of day I would have thought fold is the only option.


Fold is not the option here, not when you're getting three to one preflop, and not against a reg from the Big Blind.

Download Pokerstove and start defining ranges and use it to calculate the equity you have in the hand. Also poker is all about advanced thinking, not just bet when you have top pair and don't stop betting or anyone who raises preflop must have an ace.

If I told you villain had TT is it a worthwhile call in this spot?
If he had AQ what are the odds and the equity you have in the hand?

There is a definite MATHEMATICAL case to be made for calling off in this spot, it doesn't even need to be based on reads or previous history.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby BionicMike » Fri Jun 11, 2010 7:19 pm

I'm glad my misfortune has provided some entertainment and/or education!

The more I have thought about it today, the more I have realised that it is a call everytime.

I'd also like to thank the mods or my new signature.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby gmatical » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:26 pm

Garth Kay wrote:
gmatical wrote:This is some advanced poker thinking. I can not understand how advising calling $100 with J6 is helpful.

In the heat of the moment, I can understand why BionicMike did what he did, but in the cold light of day I would have thought fold is the only option.


Fold is not the option here, not when you're getting three to one preflop, and not against a reg from the Big Blind.

Download Pokerstove and start defining ranges and use it to calculate the equity you have in the hand. Also poker is all about advanced thinking, not just bet when you have top pair and don't stop betting or anyone who raises preflop must have an ace.

If I told you villain had TT is it a worthwhile call in this spot?
If he had AQ what are the odds and the equity you have in the hand?

There is a definite MATHEMATICAL case to be made for calling off in this spot, it doesn't even need to be based on reads or previous history.

I have pokerstove & use it when i face hard decisions & I understand alot more then "if you have top pair keep betting ra ra ra"
Just because you are 'getting 3:1' does not make it a good call.

Read your bust out hand of the Melbourne Champs for what happens when you are 'priced in'.

Bionic Mike - Fold is very much an option here.

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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby trishan » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:33 pm

gmatical wrote:
Garth Kay wrote:
gmatical wrote:This is some advanced poker thinking. I can not understand how advising calling $100 with J6 is helpful.

In the heat of the moment, I can understand why BionicMike did what he did, but in the cold light of day I would have thought fold is the only option.


Fold is not the option here, not when you're getting three to one preflop, and not against a reg from the Big Blind.

Download Pokerstove and start defining ranges and use it to calculate the equity you have in the hand. Also poker is all about advanced thinking, not just bet when you have top pair and don't stop betting or anyone who raises preflop must have an ace.

If I told you villain had TT is it a worthwhile call in this spot?
If he had AQ what are the odds and the equity you have in the hand?

There is a definite MATHEMATICAL case to be made for calling off in this spot, it doesn't even need to be based on reads or previous history.

I have pokerstove & use it when i face hard decisions & I understand alot more then "if you have top pair keep betting ra ra ra"
Just because you are 'getting 3:1' does not make it a good call.

Read your bust out hand of the Melbourne Champs for what happens when you are 'priced in'.

Bionic Mike - Fold is very much an option here.

Korea are 2001:1 to win the world cup - great odds but i aint gonna bet on them


Idea behind this is that if the Mike were to call with J6 against the other players range 1,000,000 times - Mike should be ahead. Just because he lost this one hand doesn't mean much. It's about profitabilty over the long run.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby maccatak11 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:36 pm

gmatical clearly you might not get it. because comparing a bust out in a tournament is COMPLETELY different to a cash game. In a cash game you should ALWAYS make the correct mathematical play. ALWAYS!

In a tournament it is different because things like tournament equity come into play.

You say you understand a lot more than bet-bet-bet, but then that is the advice you have given in every hand discussion thread.

Fold of course is an option here, but if mike is properly rolled for these stakes, then he should most certainly risk the extra $100 on making the correct mathematical decision. Of course the misclick is far from optimal, but as played he has to call here i think.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby muzzington » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:37 pm

FOLF!
We've how about links I would like to know I walk the line scrunches line at how the client Lawrence etc. etc.

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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby muzzington » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:39 pm

Boo, ninja edit.
We've how about links I would like to know I walk the line scrunches line at how the client Lawrence etc. etc.

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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby maccatak11 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:39 pm

i know im a crap typerist.
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Re: Misclick leads to tough descison.....

Postby maccatak11 » Fri Jun 11, 2010 8:40 pm

i mean, what spelling mistake.
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