Push EV calculations for BvB situations

[trishan]

So further to the graphs on the previous page - I graphed actual equity v minimum equity required for 15BB as shown below.





So you can see that it is +EV to shove Jd8d in the SB with 15BB for pretty much all calling %s.

Such an analysis will also show that it is +EV to jam a lot of hands with varying amounts of BBs in the SB but the real question is: Is there a more +EV way to play?

With deeper stacks there generally is, so while it may be +EV to jam 50BB in SB, there is generally a more +EV situation.

[trishan]

Such an analysis will also show that it is +EV to jam a lot of hands with varying amounts of BBs in the SB but the real question is: Is there a more +EV way to play?

With deeper stacks there generally is, so while it may be +EV to jam 50BB in SB, there is generally a more +EV situation.

I might be confusing people here a little, but my point is that just because the math shows it is a +EV play to jam in the SB, it is possible to have a more +EV play, particularly with deeper stacks.

Garth's spreadsheet is pretty handy though in summarising shoving ranges.

[AJG]

Trishan, it is mentioned on just about every "Is it a +EV push with handX at YBBs" article i have ever read, that just because it is +EV doesn't imply max EV... Take the extreme case of having AA... it always a +EV shove, but clearly we can maximise our avg EV by NOT open shoving it.

a few thoughts...

a) I am almost certain you can get rid of the +/- 0.5bb terms if we take X to be stack BEFORE posting. (also why not lable it S?) And by including them implies X is stack size AFTER posting the blinds, which I dont think you mentioned ?

b) Do those stats really give us enough info to estimate villains SS shove calling range?
- Are they 6 or 9 handed stats? over how many hands?
- What stack sizes are those stats from? or range of stack sizes? I would guess anything upto 100BB? so that info isnt too useful in determining a preflop HU call range at 16BBs??? - and herein lies the difficulty of trying to do this from simple stats. About all you can infer is they are a solid player?

c) Later Garth you said assume villain calls 13-16%, well the answer will be different depending on 13/14/15/16 % calling frequencies, no?


Also thought I would mention again another equity calculator called 'Slice EV++' found here. I 1st mentioned it in another thread (regarding Omaha IIRC) - and I would recommend all to give it a look. It has some great features Pokerstove lacks, and supports more poker variants. Personally I use it more than Pokerstove now, even though there are some limitations in the free version (like only 2 players and 100,000 iterations fixed).

[trishan]

Trishan, it is mentioned on just about every "Is it a +EV push with handX at YBBs" article i have ever read, that just because it is +EV doesn't imply max EV... .

That's what I said? Are you saying I said otherwise or pointing out that I am pointing out the obvious?

[AJG]

the later.....
Although thinking about it after, it is probably a good thing, as I guess a lot of people might not have understood that before...