AFL 2011

[David]

there is no way in the world it would ever be reset.
The only way that would happen was if the previous competition became defunct, and disbanded, and a new competition was started.

And that's not what happened... it was just a cosmetic change, to reflect the more national stance the competition was taking.

WE (we being Adelaide, Port, Fremantle, West Coast, Brisbane) joined THEIR competition. It's evolved, and changed over time, but it still has it's relevant and acknowledged history.

If the SANFL had a team join, and then another team join... say from Darwin, and from Alice Springs, and then one from Tasmania.. and then renamed to the CFL or whatever - there's no way in the world you would "reset" the premierships here at all.

And despite all that, what is resetting? So, they say it's reset. Does that mean Collingwood, Essendon and Carlton can't say out loud "we have 15/16 flags"? It's silly

[Bacon]

So what about those clubs that won flags in 1870-1896 in the old VFA, before they broke off and formed the VFL?

Isn't that part of the debate too?

And those clubs from the VFA that joined the VFL? (Kangaroos, WB, Hawthorn).

You don't often hear them saying "We won x flags there, so we have y flags"... unlike Port and their SANFL flags.

[David]

Nope, because they broke off - it WAS a different competition - it wasn't just renamed.

It's like the SANFL, which was called the SAFA and SAFL for a period of time in the early 1900s... it doesn't affect who won what there.

[666HARPS666]

Brisbane joined when it was still V.F.L

[maccatak11]

Same with West Coast. The name was changed when the crows joined i believe.

[maccatak11]

or was it in 1990 a year before the crows joined. i think it was.

[Jav1000]

or was it in 1990 a year before the crows joined. i think it was.

Yes, it became the AFL in 1990, 14 teams.

Included: Sydney, West Coast, Brisbane & Fitzroy.

Adelaide joined in 1991.

[David]

Brisbane joined when it was still V.F.L

Yep

Irrelevant, but correct.

[666HARPS666]

but Sydney was in the V.F.L along time before the other teams. not a new team just a name & location change

[David]

Yes.

I don't quite know what that has to do with this though

There are six new teams, and one relocated team (and GWS)