NPL needs an overhaul

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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby rcon » Wed May 07, 2008 9:54 am

Scott wrote:I'm sorry, but this just (as benny the cunt also said) makes a mockery of the work the bigger stacks have done in the previous 2-3 hours.



Fair call, but however, to quote myself
I hope someone can come up with perhaps a more workable idea

I'm not pretending that my idea is the answer :o


I like the suggestion of capping the blinds, but I would still like to see blinds progress at a final table - it is a tournement after all, not a ring game.
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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby Scotty » Wed May 07, 2008 10:07 am

Fair enough Matt. But I personally don't have an issue with the current structure.

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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby bennymacca » Wed May 07, 2008 10:19 am

personally, i don't like the blind structure, but what i do like is being able to go out on a weeknight and still get up for work the next day.

this advantage far outweighs the turbo tournament format.

I think NPL has got it right - if i was getting home later than 1030-11 on a weeknight, then i wouldn't be able to play. simple as that.
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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby Dug » Wed May 07, 2008 10:22 am

Thanks for the feedback:
Interested to hear what Garth says.

My biggest annoyance and the reason for the post is this:

NPL out of every league offers the least amount of chips, you have to spend the most to get chip ups, and after all that doesnt even offer a decent and comfortable blind structure.
Other leagues are either 20 or 15 minutes blinds, and they still finish in 4 hours or less.
I know NPL needs to make money, that is why they can offer prizes and promotions more so than any other league, but NPL is not fair for people who cant afford stamps. Other league's kick NPL for providing free poker. IF people are concerned about prizes and money and stuff then they wouldnt be playing free poker, they'd be at the cas.

I've come to the realisation that all the money i spend on stamps to try and give myself the best chance, to then try and finish top 5, to then have to compete against 750 players. I might as well save my stamps take them to the cas, play a tourney and at least then play for a pot. (btw i'm not trying to encourage gambling, just an example).

It just seems like we are all being conned, trying to reach for this unreachable dream of maybe winning something big, and all the time disguising it as free poker.

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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby bennymacca » Wed May 07, 2008 10:28 am

what about this?

at present, the blind levels are as follows

25/50 20 min
50/100 20
break
100/200 15
200/400 15
300/600 15
break
500/1000
1000/2000 (either 12 or 15, cant remember)
and so on


what about relaxing the timing of the levels between the first and second breaks? i.e

25/50 20 min
50/100 20
break
100/200 20
200/400 20
300/600 20
break
500/1000
1000/2000 (either 12 or 15, cant remember)
and so on

this would only lengthen the time of the tournament by 15 mins, but would allow people that take a big hit in these levels to have a little more time to get back into the tournament.

my personal experience, is that if i lose a pot in this period, it is very hard to come back and regain some chips without resorting to push/fold tactics.
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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby rcon » Wed May 07, 2008 10:29 am

I guess its more that you can be one of the big stacks at a table, or even the final table, you've had
50 runners
125,000 chips in play (ave 2500/person)
ave stack 13, 888 at start of final table
blinds would be 4,000/8000 (correct me if i'm way out here)

Even if you've got a "big stack" of say half the chips in play at 62,000, you've still only got 7.75BBs.

Is that really a fair reward for your 2-3 hours work either? It just seems to be more down to luck at that point (thats my excuse for not winning more often, and i'm going to stick to it ;-))

That said - I really do love my NPL just as it is, but if possible, one day, I'd perhaps like to see it relaxed a little. And this seemed like the best place to bring such concerns up.
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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby bennymacca » Wed May 07, 2008 10:36 am

Dug wrote:It just seems like we are all being conned, trying to reach for this unreachable dream of maybe winning something big, and all the time disguising it as free poker.


i play NPL because i wanna have FUN, as poker is bloody fun to play.

secondly, i wanna improve my game. i would consider myself at a level where i am fairly experienced at poker, but nowhere near good enough to play at the casino regularly, nor do i have the bankroll to do so.

by playing NPL, i would like to improve to the stage where i could maybe go into the cas and hold my own on a regualr basis, not just when i am on the piss and lose all my dough because of this.

thirdly, how many times would a player of average skill such as myself be able to have the chance at playing in a 700 player, live, tourney without risking more money than my skill level suggests i should?

dug, if you seriously reckon your money will be better spent at he casino, then go there. i dont have the money for that.

btw, you dont have to spend money on stamps. or, if you feel like u have to spend a lot to get those stamps, switch venue. its well known that us out here in the B&G play poker for peanuts, so it might be worth the petrol to make the trip out here.

rcon wrote:That said - I really do love my NPL just as it is, but if possible, one day, I'd perhaps like to see it relaxed a little. And this seemed like the best place to bring such concerns up.


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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby Scotty » Wed May 07, 2008 10:40 am

bennymacca wrote:what about this?

at present, the blind levels are as follows

25/50 20 min
50/100 20
break
100/200 15
200/400 15
300/600 15
break
1000/2000 (either 12 or 15, cant remember)
and so on


It moves to 500/1000 after the 2nd break, benny the cunt. And pretty sure it's 12 minutes from thereon in.

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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby bennymacca » Wed May 07, 2008 10:43 am

true, my bad. thats just a typo ill edit it now
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Re: NPL needs an overhaul

Postby rcon » Wed May 07, 2008 11:16 am

bennymacca wrote:DEEPSTACK TOURNEY RCON!!!!!!!!!!



Really? They have those ;-)

Yeah, I hear you - but, this is a forum for discussing these sorts of ideas, and I know that I'm not the only person who plays NPL and thinks this way. So I thought i'd give voice to said opinions.

I think I've made my point regarding this issue, so I won't go over my (somewhat deficient) suggestion any more. But I would love to hear some other suggestions on the matter, such as benny the cunt's.
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