Poker Question July 13th

[Bacon]

If this was me, the guy would be holding KK.

[muzzington]

I'm used to these questions because I answered the polls on PokerListings.com. More often than not the "answer" is the more aggressive play, and given the information... given, I assumed that would be it.

Sometimes they're not the greatest questions to debate because there is so many unknowns.

[bennymacca]

I'm used to these questions because I answered the polls on PokerListings.com. More often than not the "answer" is the more aggressive play, and given the information... given, I assumed that would be it.

Sometimes they're not the greatest questions to debate because there is so many unknowns.

muzz is right. they give you limited information, and usually the answer they choose is the most aggressive one.

and their answer is...

Spoiler:

Raise all-in. If you're going to call a three-bet, you definitely have to raise all-in. Your opponent is aggressive and would c-bet this flop with 100% of his range. You shove over the top; if he folds you win immediately, and if you're called you have nine outs twice. Playing draws passively in three-bet pots is a losing proposition 100bb deep. So shove it all-in.

i am still thinking shove here, but i am not totally convinced

continue the discussion, it has been great.

[bennymacca]

Just remember though this is a $1/$2 table and players rarely play +EV and this is particularly true given his agressive style.

also, think of it as a 1/2 online game, which is MASSIVELY different to a 1/2 casino game. you can definitely assume that the players at a 1/2 online game know what they are doing.

Also remember that even though the situation is +EV, folding and waiting for a better spot is also +EV.

i dont necessarily agree with this - folding and waiting for aces is definitely not +EV

[Garth Kay]

That is the worst answer ever.

You have nine outs twice? LOL.

What was the poll showing?

[BigPete33]

I think that's the point of them posting that type of question though.

It gets people to actually think about different aspects of the hand and consider other points of view (assuming reasons given are thought out and explained well).

There are different options and more than one of them could work, it just depends on what you're actually trying to achieve at that point in time.



**edit** benny the cunt... where did he say aces? that's ridiculous

[muzzington]

Think it was 40% for calling and 37% for all-in.

What do you think of his bet size on the flop Garth? Can you ascertain anything from that?

[bennymacca]

poll is showing

Fold 10%
Call 41%
RAI 36%
Min raise 13%


i dont like the answer either, but i still think shoving is the way to go.

garth, are you happy folding the turn if he fires again?

**edit** benny the cunt... where did he say aces? that's ridiculous

i was just making a point that folding and waiting for a better spot isnt +EV if a current situation is +EV.

you can claim that a current situation is marginal, but saying its +EV and then folding is wrong

this is a marginal spot though, ill stop arguing on semantics.

[trishan]

Also remember that even though the situation is +EV, folding and waiting for a better spot is also +EV.

i dont necessarily agree with this - folding and waiting for aces is definitely not +EV

I was gonna pull out a quote from Sklansky or Brunson RE: folding when a call is +EV but I couldnt find it. Basically sometimes its more +EV to fold a +EV situation knowing that there will be a better +EV situation around the corner.

You can definitely use this guys agression at a later stage in a better position and not necessarily with aces.

[BigPete33]

Yeah I don't think the situation is necessarily +EV at all. Which is why we're all having this discussion


Now if we were holding 9T of spades we should rejam instantly because we just know we're going to be shipping it.